It doesn't actually do anything >.> We all know he's annoying and don't like him, so literally all this does is make people (or at least me) feel weird reading it.
I am against homosexuality because of what the bible says. Leviticus 20:13, that doesn't mean I'm a homophobe. Marriage should be between one man and one woman according to what my bible says Genesis 2:21-25. What this says is that I hate the sin according to the bible but not the person committing the sin. We live in a fallen world in a fallen time, where this worlds sins are detestable and disgusting but that doesn't mean I'm against the world. How justin said it was probably wrong, and being a homophobe is wrong but it isn't right to hate on him for what he believes in, or your against opinions.
I believe that the pursuit of YOUR own happiness should be everyone's goal in life. I could careless about what sex they like. All that really matters is that the people are happy. Why should we believe in a book that is based on stories 2000 years ago. I really doubt they are original. Also its very easy to lie in text..
"No. Homophobia is wrong en mi opinion and i will therefore not do nothing while he is still homophobic."
Whoa, whoa, whoa, there. First of all, bad grammar. Second of all, I don't know if you realize, but it's been proven that there is actually a little bit higher of a percentage of genetic influence that determines if someone will be homophobic (that's right, it's just as genetic as homosexuality). In other words, even scientists have shown that homophobia is JUST as unable to be helped as homosexuality. So you trying to force someone to not be homophobic is just as wrong as trying to force someone to not be homosexual. Don't do the double standard, or you end up looking like a hypocrite. In fact, you ARE being one as it stands right now. Not saying I lean one way or another, just stating the facts.
Actually idog, it has nothing to do with genetics... (It’s more so based off relational, character, and self-identity issues) there is no solid research to date that proves genetics to be the cause. But for the sake of argument, even if same gender attraction (SGA) was influenced by genetics in some way, we still have a choice to live in a way that honors God (for those of you who are Christian), regardless if you’re struggling with same gender attraction or not. Interestingly enough be it “by design” or “evolution” being homosexual is not natural. This further supports that homosexuality is something that can be overcome, because it was never intended by design or nature.
If God's intention in His creation is holy heterosexuality, then all of us have the capacity for it. That's why there are people ministering to those with same gender attraction (SGA), showing them how to move out of what feels normal but isn't, into heterosexual attraction. It's not fast, it's not easy, but it IS possible. It's about finding ways to relate in a healthy, nonsexual way with other men, and doing it in the power of the Holy Spirit. Which He is happy to give as we abide in Christ. (That's the key, but it's easier to talk about than to live, moment by moment. Nonetheless, that's how others have moved from being strugglers to being overcomers).
There are a number of websites where you can read stories and get real help, including online message boards for encouragement. Here's a good place to start: Living Hope Ministries. This one has a lot of other sites listed, as well as a web forum where you can find people to talk to. http://www.livehope.org
The bottom line is there is hope. You don't have to live with the false choice of either being separated from God because of your sexuality, or alone and lonely because of it.
In terms of my opinion of gay people? Well, God passionately loves gay people, so who am I to argue with that? He grieves when men are attracted to men and women are attracted to women, because it means that something went wrong somewhere, whether biology or psychology or whatever. But it doesn't make the person bad! I think that the reason gay people are in so much pain isn't because the world hates gays and is homophobic, which is the politically correct explanation you get these days, but it's because something went wrong and it's painful not to be able to relate correctly and healthily to people of the opposite sex.
God has power to help us with problems like that, even though it's not easy by ANY means simple to change.
Chief, I didn't say whether I believed it really was genetics. What I'm saying is that even atheist scientists who claim homosexuality to be genetic ALSO have done studies to show that homophobia could be genetic. Not saying whether I agree (although they have data to support it, so who am I to argue with it), I'm just saying that even IF you don't go at it from a religious perspective, it STILL would be just as invalid to refer to someone as "homophobic" in a negative way for not approving of homosexuality... You're trying to make a case against something I'm not saying at all... also, if you're addressing those links toward me, I want you to know that I am NOT homosexual >.> nor am I homophobic. <.<
Cas, that's like saying "but if no one in your family is left-handed, how did YOU get to be left-handed?" Ever heard of recessive genes? It happens... like I said, I'm approaching it from the assumption that you AREN'T basing any of your opinions on religion. Also, if you don't believe that homosexuality is something you're born with (again, I'm not stating what I think about it, I'm just covering all the bases on opinions), then are you implying that fat people should just accept being the way they are and not try to lose weight? Help me out here, cas, tell me WHY you think what you think so I know how you're approching this whole debate...
You are correct idog i am not approaching this from a religious point of view (i was a quaker for 12 years before developing the belief god was not real (however i kept the 100% pacifism that comes with quakerism)). I also do know about recessive genes.... my dad is 6"2 and my mum is 5"9... i am 6"6 and 14 years old. However i don't think it is something you are born with as most people who are gay act heterosexual in there childhood. It is only when they hit puberty that their homosexuality develops. And i got a bit confused when you started talking about fat people. Being fat is 100% environmental (the only reason people may think it is genetic is because if the parents are fat they are likely to overfeed their kid too), and that is proven. I am saying that i think people aren't born homophobic but they develop homophobia throughout their lives as they are show almost exclusively heterosexual couples on kids TV etc. And when they hit puberty and are in secondary school (i think that's high school in US and CA) they are very peer pressured into being heterosexual. It would be like saying that someone was born racism and therefore should not be told they are wrong. Is that what you're implying idog?
If I remember correctly, the U.S.A's constitution states that Church and State will be separated therefore, you can not use religion in the argument if gay marriage should be legal. Al thought this might not be everywhere, its very common in the West.
@cascades: You got me really, really wrong if you somehow thought that I was saying being fat was a genetic thing. Frankly, I'm not sure if you really read it if that's what you think I'm saying. Again, I wasn't giving an opinion, I was just stating the various opinions and arguments for each aspect (though I am not arguing for one or another).
@Chief: I get what you're saying, and I wasn't arguing for any one thing, I was just stating the various approaches that are made and the arguments within those points of view. Also, I definitely don't believe that a person can't change their homosexuality, I wasn't saying that, because I'm well aware that they can.
Fair enough... idog, but even if I were to shelf my belief for a moment, there is still a lot of good, solid research that time and time again has provin to show key facters in homosexual development being in direct relation to family related issues. Such as an over pertective Mother, an absent Father, character/personality defences, and the list goes on. So, with all due respect... shouldn't the government (givin the heavy resarch) be more carefull with the laws they are making? For example, in some places for me to even suggest that same sex attraction can be overcome would be considered illegal. So what about th guys who never wanted to be gay? Will they be forced to live/accept a reality that could be changed just be because the government says so!?
If someone is gay, and wants to be that's their choice and I respect that. But for guys who know and understand that this is something that can be changed, and want to change... why would the government make aid & support for that illegal? Why are both sides not being presented? How then is that freedom? Is freedom not the right of choice? I'm tired of our government limiting our rights by filliping a coin and picking a side and writing the other off.
Why do so many care about this small issue when there are bigger issues? Such Issues like corrupt government, poverty, etc should be more noticed for any society.
In your opinion Zonic. Correct me if I'm wrong but corruption will always be an issue, there is no avoiding it, no matter what we do. Sure we can put more systems in place to help prevent it - but that fact remains that it is something that will always be present. So why not focus on more heart felt issues, that could have a life time effect, rather then ones that will most likely not change?
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